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	<title>Comments on: How Important are the CESG Grants to an RESP?</title>
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		<title>By: mfd</title>
		<link>http://www.myfindependenceday.com/how-important-are-the-cesg-grants-to-an-resp#comment-1145</link>
		<dc:creator>mfd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cecil,

Unfortunately taxes always get you. Assuming even a low tax bracket of 33% you would get taxed $1k and the grant will still only be $500.  Now I will say that you might be able to take that approach via canadian dividends but you may need to earn as much as a 6% yield and you would have to been in the right tax bracket. I think its something very difficult to acheive in good times when yields are super low.  I think at that point you might be exposing your childs education to to much risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cecil,</p>
<p>Unfortunately taxes always get you. Assuming even a low tax bracket of 33% you would get taxed $1k and the grant will still only be $500.  Now I will say that you might be able to take that approach via canadian dividends but you may need to earn as much as a 6% yield and you would have to been in the right tax bracket. I think its something very difficult to acheive in good times when yields are super low.  I think at that point you might be exposing your childs education to to much risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Cecil</title>
		<link>http://www.myfindependenceday.com/how-important-are-the-cesg-grants-to-an-resp#comment-1143</link>
		<dc:creator>Cecil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like what you&#039;re saying is that the extra grant money you&#039;d get by contributing every year over the life of the plan isn&#039;t sufficient to offset the compounding time lost by keeping that money out of the market.

But I question what the right approach is if you have 50k right now. What if you put that 50k in a non-registered account and pull say ~$3k out yearly for 17 years? That way your $50k is in the market for the whole time period, but you also get all the grant money.  The only downside are the tax implications, but it might still come ahead of the &quot;drop $50k in the RESP off the bat&quot; plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like what you&#8217;re saying is that the extra grant money you&#8217;d get by contributing every year over the life of the plan isn&#8217;t sufficient to offset the compounding time lost by keeping that money out of the market.</p>
<p>But I question what the right approach is if you have 50k right now. What if you put that 50k in a non-registered account and pull say ~$3k out yearly for 17 years? That way your $50k is in the market for the whole time period, but you also get all the grant money.  The only downside are the tax implications, but it might still come ahead of the &#8220;drop $50k in the RESP off the bat&#8221; plan.</p>
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		<title>By: mfd</title>
		<link>http://www.myfindependenceday.com/how-important-are-the-cesg-grants-to-an-resp#comment-1122</link>
		<dc:creator>mfd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey PC, 

Inflation and the value of money does play big part in how the contributions affect you financially in the present (ie. contributing $50k now costs a lot more then contributing $50k 10 years from now because $50k will be worth less in the future). However it has very little barring on the final outcome. The difference is simply the outcome of compounding returns. The more you contribute early on the longer it has to compound and grow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey PC, </p>
<p>Inflation and the value of money does play big part in how the contributions affect you financially in the present (ie. contributing $50k now costs a lot more then contributing $50k 10 years from now because $50k will be worth less in the future). However it has very little barring on the final outcome. The difference is simply the outcome of compounding returns. The more you contribute early on the longer it has to compound and grow.</p>
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		<title>By: PC</title>
		<link>http://www.myfindependenceday.com/how-important-are-the-cesg-grants-to-an-resp#comment-1121</link>
		<dc:creator>PC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if you considered the current value of the scenario 1. It should be less than the $50,000 one time contribution. The later year&#039;s $2,500 will have less current value depend on your discount rate. Could it possible be that 1. lose to 8. because you&#039;re actually contributing way less?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if you considered the current value of the scenario 1. It should be less than the $50,000 one time contribution. The later year&#8217;s $2,500 will have less current value depend on your discount rate. Could it possible be that 1. lose to 8. because you&#8217;re actually contributing way less?</p>
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		<title>By: mfd</title>
		<link>http://www.myfindependenceday.com/how-important-are-the-cesg-grants-to-an-resp#comment-1118</link>
		<dc:creator>mfd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sarah,

I&#039;m glad the article could be of help in making your decision.  I wrote it because I found myself wondering what the best approach was to capturing all of that grant money and then ultimately realizing is it&#039;s actually not worth going 
after the grant money. 

Now the only downside is you lose the ability to dollar-cost-average from contributing every year (mind you DCAing has proven to be ineffective as well but it makes us feel better) and you run the risk that you invest at a high point in the market if you do the lump sum payment. You might be able to mitigate this with a conservative portfolio and annual rebalancing though I haven&#039;t crunch those numbers myself to confirm if that&#039;s true but that&#039;s the theory. 

I&#039;d also like to thank you for pointing out the typo. The amount is actually &quot;$117,957&quot; so I don&#039;t know where I got that other number from .  You&#039;ve got to be careful with that copy and paste.  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sarah,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad the article could be of help in making your decision.  I wrote it because I found myself wondering what the best approach was to capturing all of that grant money and then ultimately realizing is it&#8217;s actually not worth going<br />
after the grant money. </p>
<p>Now the only downside is you lose the ability to dollar-cost-average from contributing every year (mind you DCAing has proven to be ineffective as well but it makes us feel better) and you run the risk that you invest at a high point in the market if you do the lump sum payment. You might be able to mitigate this with a conservative portfolio and annual rebalancing though I haven&#8217;t crunch those numbers myself to confirm if that&#8217;s true but that&#8217;s the theory. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to thank you for pointing out the typo. The amount is actually &#8220;$117,957&#8243; so I don&#8217;t know where I got that other number from .  You&#8217;ve got to be careful with that copy and paste.  <img src='http://www.myfindependenceday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sarah in Ottawa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah in Ottawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for this post!  I have a 5 month old who just received an inheritance allowing us to fully fund his RESP.  I was looking for analysis on the best way to do it (I was leaning towards fully funding right away b/c of the compound interest), and this helps solidify the argument.

One quick questions, though -- I assume that the Plan 1, 6% should read &quot;106,763&quot; and not &quot;196,73&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for this post!  I have a 5 month old who just received an inheritance allowing us to fully fund his RESP.  I was looking for analysis on the best way to do it (I was leaning towards fully funding right away b/c of the compound interest), and this helps solidify the argument.</p>
<p>One quick questions, though &#8212; I assume that the Plan 1, 6% should read &#8220;106,763&#8243; and not &#8220;196,73&#8243;&#8230;</p>
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